Hedge's Unfinished review of Final Fantasy XXXXXIII

[Hedge]

Ok so yea I fudged the number a little bit. But It feels like its some 100th of the series of you count all the hand helds, X2s, and side games based on the others.

So I was on lunch break, headed back to the station yesterday, we stopped at Best Buy to look around a little. After considering windows 7 and a lap top, I wandered over to the video game section. Seeing the big stand for FFXIII I pondered. This was a series, that I truely loved. FFI - FFVI. ( Yes for you fan boys I actually played the Japan imports of actual 3 - 5. As FF III here in the states was actually FF6.) But after FFVIII I had a bit of a falling out..it seems to drift more towards the overly romantic and dramatic sides of gameing. Though this series was brought back by FFIX I did enjoy it but I didn't actually buy the game. I just borrowed it. But I want to say it started with FF7, where all the super fan boys grabbed hold of the pointy haired emo bad guy and hero and made them sex icons, thus was the down turn of the series.

Anyway, on to the actual review of FFXIII. (WARNING! I'VE NOT FINISHED PLAYING THIS GAME BUT HAVE ONLY PUT IN 2.5 HOURS)

So, let me start with the storyline of the game thus far. (Don't worry there won't be any spoilers..because well there isn't any story line up to where I am so far) I'm used to books, movies, and games to have some sort of hook. Something that grabs your attention and pulls you into the story and makes you want to play. This game has none of that. I'm not sure if this is the continuation of another FF game i missed or what...but it basically starts out with two main characters in robes on a train. They are working together..but apparently have NO idea who each other are. They fight a bunch of armored guys in the train to 'save' people but they are the only ones who actually make it out alive. At this point one of the characters, a perky pistol wielding black man.( only cool guy in the game at this point) tries to ask whats going on, and more about Lightning, the main character, who promptly ignores him and just makes him follow her around or be left behind to die.

.I think there is a nearly all female cast in this game. Yes thats right, 2.5 hours into the game and I've seen exactly 2.5 male characters in this game. One is a capoeira pistol wielding black man afro and all. ( Yes..i don't know how one fights capoeira with pistols..but just think of a guy doing the moves by himself but shooting instead of punching) This is prolly the only actual Character in the game so far. He has personality, a humorous little quirk about a baby chocobo ( stupid bird for those who don't know) that lives in his afro. The other guy is just a named NPC that you don't actually play. He is built like a muscle head, with crazy red spiky hair ( SURPRISE! SPIKEY HAIR IN A SQUARE GAME!) of course he has no real personality beyond that. The .5 is actually a guy...I think. He sounds like one sometimes. But dresses like a gothy/emo biker kid with a heavy heart...unless he is around others then he says things like "HERO'S never run away!!" "Here comes your HERO!"...yes the main character actually calls himself a hero, and his name is Snow....yes SNOW. Of course this guy fights with his fists..which do more damage than bullets and swords for some reason.

So the other Main character you meet by this point is Lightning, a former female soldier who wields a sword that can turn into a gun like a transformer. (Yea its about as cool as it sounds really....) She speaks in one or two word answers to any questions, this character is good looking, but thats about all she has going on. She never actually reveals any sort of plot keys, besides "My sister is a....thing-a-ma-jig" thouge never actually tell you what a thing-a-ma-jig is, or why thats bad...or good? Oh, I almost forgot PEDO FANS UNITE! If you are into underaged children, this game should supply you with endless hours of fapping material. All the guys besides the previously mentioned 2.5 are dressed, look, act, and move like women. One of the chars you play as is a 12 or 13 year old who prances around shaking her ass and fighting with a pair of antlers on a stick..that are whips ( just try to imagine that cuz I really have no other way of explaining it.)

The game seems to be based continually on cut-scenes. These don't really explain anything. they are just pretty pictures to distract you from the fact that YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHATS GOING ON! In-fact I played an action sequence for about three minutes then it went to a cut scene..put me in control of a different character watching the character I just played. Makes me walk in a straight line 20 feet with ABSOLUTLY NO CONTENT, FIGHTING, OR STORYLINE, to another cut-scene. This happens A LOT.

So anyway, here is the plot so far in a nutshell. Freedom fighters fighting the military, are trying to stop the military from doing...something to .. certain people. They are all teenage girly boys who shake their ass, and sound confused about what they are actually doing. There are monsters, that turn into monsters if they don't carry out the quest they were given when turned into a monster.....

All in all, this game is horrible, sure its pretty. The artists are to be commended. However who ever threw this slop together needs a good beating. I mean..Mario and Sonic have more plot and action then this game of cliche " HERO'S ARE AWESOME AND WIN!" commentaries and horrid story telling.

Hedge

[Hedge]

Oh...yea I know GIANT wall of text with somewhat poor grasp of the english language. Save me those kinda comments would ya?

[Brains]

based on my understanding of people's reactions to this game this is what I've concluded.

people who have loved the other FF games won't like this game.
people who have never played FF OR hate really long, complex, open-world RPGs will like this game because it's super linear, full of flashy cutscenes, graphically gorgeous and doesn't require you to know everything about the game. people like me :D

[Philosoraptor]

I laughed the whole way through
A+ review

[Cosmic_Shame]

based on my understanding of people's reactions to this game this is what I've concluded.

people who have loved the other FF games won't like this game.
people who have never played FF OR hate really long, complex, open-world RPGs will like this game because it's super linear, full of flashy cutscenes, graphically gorgeous and doesn't require you to know everything about the game. people like me :D

i think ill avoid FF like i have all my life and play a game like God Of War 3 which doesnt suck

[Hedge]

To be honest cosmic some people just don't like RPG's and thats fine. But as far as good games go, FF2 and 3 were actually pretty fun. They have healthy amount of action. Of course its not swinging giant swords around style we have now days. but still ^.^

[Cosmic_Shame]

oh i love RPG's i just dont get why people shit bricks over FF, i played FF 3 and 7 and liked them but nothing spectacular, shit mario RPG was better and paper mario

[Brains]

god of war 3 so far is an epic game. (just getting to hades boss fight)

[Bonemasher]

Are you kidding me? This game is awesome. The battles have some actual point to them and are not just click fight 100 times like every other ff. Plus you can actually die in this game. As for linear, let me just say this, EVERY final fantasy is linear, they just give you a delusion of freedom, theres never any point in going anywhere but where they tell you.

As for the story, it takes a while to get into, this game throws your into it so you don't have to wade through hours of cutscenes and pointless babble early on, like most rpg's.

I'm 20 hours in, and the game just keeps getting better and more dificult as you get into it. This "review" as you call it, is like reviewing FF5 before you get any jobs, or FF6 before you get any magicite, or FF7 without getting out of midgar. I could go on.

Plus the story is alot better than previous games, there arent any passanger characters who are following you for no reason, and they don't all get along. Heck FF 4-10 are like the fricken wizard of oz, "look theres a scarecrow lets help him find a brain, weeee're off to kill the endboss, the endboss who has nothing to do with any of us!!!!!"

So far my only gripe with the game is when you change class in battle the first time it seems to take a few seconds but the enemies attack you during that.

[Crux]

I was looking at FFXIII... it got pretty good reviews but so far I'm leaning towards god of war 3

[Devant]

i'd like to add that ffvii has been rated one of the top games that changed gaming. I thought it was a great game.

but what do I know...i'm a blasphemer who plays the FinalFantasy MMO's

[Devant]

Oh and one more thing...why don't people release games for PC anymore?! i'm sick of not being able to play games like FF12-13, god of war, etc.

[Brains]

Oh and one more thing...why don't people release games for PC anymore?! i'm sick of not being able to play games like FF12-13, god of war, etc.

piracy.

[Devant]

yeah like there aren't iso's for ps3 or xbox >_>

[Bonemasher]

i'd like to add that ffvii has been rated one of the top games that changed gaming. I thought it was a great game.

but what do I know...i'm a blasphemer who plays the FinalFantasy MMO's

I disagree, while it's a good game, it didnt do anything new except for being the easiest of the series, and it tarnished the difficulty of final fantasies for a long while afterwards. And if you want to get into the story, that falls apart once the world of ruin comes into play. Taking gogo and umaro to see your old party members is priceless "Oh hey I know you" lol

[Cosmic_Shame]

yeah like there aren't iso's for ps3 or xbox >_>

cuz u would need a super computer to run a PS3 emulator, saying that PS2 emulators and Wii emulators right now suck balls still and the PS2 emulator is over 8 years old and hasnt changed since day one

[Bonemasher]

cuz u would need a super computer to run a PS3 emulator, saying that PS2 emulators and Wii emulators right now suck balls still and the PS2 emulator is over 8 years old and hasnt changed since day one

Nvm ps2, try PS1 doesn't work too well.

[Mechagodzilla]

Forget both. I'm getting Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth. ;D

[Bonemasher]

Forget both. I'm getting Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth. ;D

That game is awesome. Btw this topic is really off lol

[Hedge]

As for the story, it takes a while to get into, this game throws your into it so you don't have to wade through hours of cutscenes and pointless babble early on, like most rpg's.



So what you are telling me is that you hate a good two to three minute opening movie that gives you some idea of the world is a bad thing? I'm prolly going to finish the game simply because I bought it, so i will see these things.

To put some context around what this game feels like so far. Is sitting me down into the middle of a discussion about string theory between two Physic masters and expecting me to "add" and "Understand" the conversation.

As for being linear, most games are like that...they let you go other places and explore and not do any story mostly because up untill a few years ago. They didn't ahve the memory size in games or on the damn systems you played to put in massive worlds to actually explore and go around. But that isn't a complaint with this game. I like games that tell a story its like playing a book.

However so far, these characters really arn't...characters. They don't have personality. And the endless cut scenes so far have driving me nuts because nothing actually happens to warrent the cut scene. And why the fuck do they give me control of a character to walk two feet just so i can enter another cut scene?

By far however the most annoying thing is the overly cliche personalities that they put in this game. And for gods sake..why are most of the guys prettier than the girls? Its like a giant emo/scene Twilight love fest.

I will complete another review of this game once I finish it...or once I decide I've had enough of it. Which ever comes first.

[Bonemasher]

So what you are telling me is that you hate a good two to three minute opening movie that gives you some idea of the world is a bad thing? I'm prolly going to finish the game simply because I bought it, so i will see these things.

To put some context around what this game feels like so far. Is sitting me down into the middle of a discussion about string theory between two Physic masters and expecting me to "add" and "Understand" the conversation.

As for being linear, most games are like that...they let you go other places and explore and not do any story mostly because up untill a few years ago. They didn't ahve the memory size in games or on the damn systems you played to put in massive worlds to actually explore and go around. But that isn't a complaint with this game. I like games that tell a story its like playing a book.

However so far, these characters really arn't...characters. They don't have personality. And the endless cut scenes so far have driving me nuts because nothing actually happens to warrent the cut scene. And why the fuck do they give me control of a character to walk two feet just so i can enter another cut scene?

By far however the most annoying thing is the overly cliche personalities that they put in this game. And for gods sake..why are most of the guys prettier than the girls? Its like a giant emo/scene Twilight love fest.

I will complete another review of this game once I finish it...or once I decide I've had enough of it. Which ever comes first.

Have you ever played a final fantasy game? They are all like that. Just because people ignore the art in the 2d games, doesn't mean they aren't meant to look like that. Do you forget the half naked 7 year old in ff4? lol

They have much more personality than most games. All FF characters follow the same guidelines as every games before them. They have like a few character type's and they keep recycling them. Lightning is like squal and cloud, snow is like Locke, vanille is like rikku and zell, hope is like terra mixed with Tidus, Sahz is like Zell mised with barret (and I don't mean him being black, theres more to it later.).

If your just now getting tired of these things it makes sense, but placing the blame on this one game alone doesn't make sense to me.

Btw ever play Xenogears? Awesome game but before it starts theres a good 10 minutes of reading the histories of two countries and how they are war and I always fall asleep during it, forget most of the details, and then pick them up while playing through the game. Another example would be the star wars movies, do they really need the long text at the start? No, because the information can be picked up while watching the damn movie.

This game takes its sweet time explaining things, but I find it better this way, more like a movie than a book. They throw you into it, you yell WTF, and then its explained later and you feel like your into the middle of the story and not the start.

I guess it's just mostly an opinion thing. Personaly my favorite part of this game story is the tension between characters, it not always rainbows and sunshine for them.

Also a sidenote, when walking around in town in other rpg's do you not consider this a cutscene? I do. If your forced to do something that has little effort to it, why not just let the game control, and reading text in an older game is also the same.

[Cosmic_Shame]

u guys should give up on final fantasy and start playing Kingdom Hearts or harvest moon they have a better replay value

[Bonemasher]

u guys should give up on final fantasy and start playing Kingdom Hearts or harvest moon they have a better replay value

Lol I've played kingdom hearts 1 and 2. Both were good in gameplay, but had terrible story, in fact the second game continues off a GBA game, like what the hell is that about. Roxas and Namine....... both characters I have no idea who they are and couldn't care less about them, and yet they are the focal point of most of the second game.

As for harvest moon, not even gonna comment, terrible game and shouldn't be in a discusion about rpg's.

[Philosoraptor]

I like where this is going.

[Cosmic_Shame]

As for harvest moon, not even gonna comment, terrible game and shouldn't be in a discusion about rpg's.

how can u not like harvest moon. u get to ride a horse, build a farm, go fishing and interact with the farm folks. the N64 and PSX versions are superior, i do not like the new ones

[Bonemasher]

I played the snes one for a while and it just got so damned boring.

[klossi]

how can u not like harvest moon. u get to ride a horse, build a farm, go fishing and interact with the farm folks. the N64 and PSX versions are superior, i do not like the new ones

n64 harvest moon was awesome! :D



and talking about hedge's review: i had some good laughs while reading that man. really enjoyable. have you ever played golden sun on game boy advance? it's the same wall of text there. it takes more than 15 minutes just for the intro, then you are finally able to control your character, walk out of the house you're in and ANOTHER epically long cutscene plays. really awful. and it stays like that throughout the whole game (including golden sun 2 which i never finished). i mean i usually enjoy games with good stories and a good atmosphere. like you said, it's like playing a book. but some games really go too far IMO.

[eddo]

I'm about 13 hours into the game but only on chapter 6. The game and story seems to get better as you spend more time into it.

There are some parts I do not particularly like. Upgrading your gear is annoying.

[Devant]

cuz u would need a super computer to run a PS3 emulator, saying that PS2 emulators and Wii emulators right now suck balls still and the PS2 emulator is over 8 years old and hasnt changed since day one

I was talking about burning the iso's onto your mod'd xbox/ps3 and "pirating" it that way.

[Cosmic_Shame]

I was talking about burning the iso's onto your mod'd xbox/ps3 and "pirating" it that way.

oh i know, im just sayin that at the moment PS3 has no good mods for playing burned ISO's without a huge as fail rate, and the Xbox 360 when u flash ur DVDrom on ur Xbox works flawlessly but again with that you lose all ability to play online cuz there is no Custom Firmware its just a mod on ur DVDrom drive, and plus Xbox sucks so im not gonna even go on further about it

[Hedge]

I understand the distaste for epic long intros. But by far those are exceptions rather then standards. Most games don't have epic intros that make you want to hurt yourself. The only one I've ever played that does that is Farcry 2. But again that is because you HAVE to go though it and can't skip it >.<

This is a game that would not have been hurt by a little introduction to the world beforehand. The endless amounts of uninformative and somewhat pointless cut scenes really get to me as well. It just seems that every time I start to think..wow I can actually play the game now. I get stopped and forced to watch a bunch of teenage angst the like of which would make the last Harry Potter movie blush.

[Brains]

what the escapist has to say about FF13.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1569-Final-Fantasy-XIII

exactly how I feel about FF-like games. :D

[Cosmic_Shame]

bahahaha good thing the last final fantasy i played was Final Fantasy 3 and i own 7 and tried playing it, which he said was good and i agree

[Freaky_Angelus]

YouTube- Zero Punctuation Final Fantasy XIII

Your link didn't work for me so here is the youtube version.. OMG I love his reviews!

[Homfry]

I played the snes one for a while and it just got so damned boring.

If you guys like harvest moon you should try the runefactory games.

The are pretty much harvest moon type games with some action (sword fighting , and spells added in)

It's actually a spin-off of the harvest moon fanchise.

I played runfactory 1 a lot on the ds.

[Fenrir]

Rune Factory was pretty good... definitely didn't have the grip that Harvest Moon 64 had, though. Holy crap that game was fantastic.

[Devant]

worth getting on my wii? (harvest moon 64)

[Kaito]

FFXIII...it has a 20 hour tutorial before it gets super good. After that, it's back to the 3 person team fighting and such. The combat style, once you get a little further on, is really fun and you'd never think you'd get an adrenaline burst from a jrpg, but it's fast and challenging. It is long and stuff, so if you're not into that, don't bother. The battles are actually tough and you have to pay attention a lot more than previous FF's (Holding down confirm to attack with each character, rinse, repeat, possibly cast cure/heal/-aga).

If I were to choose between the two, I'd, personally, pick FFXIII. It's mostly turn based and all, so if you don't like turn based, pick God of War III. If that's not the case and you've played the previous God of Wars, get GoW III. FFXIII is only the first of a three pack. FFXIII Versus and FFXIII Agito are still to come out. They might do some bundle thing, so yeah. They are based in the same universe and the stories don't intertwine.

P.S. Vanille is older than you think.

[Hedge]

Wow. Mr. Escapist saw the same flaws I did. LoL anyone else find it entertaining his review was rather damn close to my own? That said...I managed another 30 minutes of FFXIII ... and yes I have to say...this game is now moved up to coaster status. It keeps my drinks from leaving bad rings on the wooden tables.

[Cosmic_Shame]

worth getting on my wii? (harvest moon 64)

they have it on the wii store ?

[Christian]

I wholeheartedly agree with the review. This game is so terribly limited I find myself playing other games so I can jump off the rails for a minute. Other Final Fantasy games were somewhat open, this game is so tightly bound to the rails that you can't even wander off the tracks.

Most hated element: the damned crystarium grid - it's the totally screwed over awful version of the FFX sphere grid but at least with the sphere grid I didn't have to hold X to get from node to node, I just clicked it once...

[Bonemasher]

You guys just seem so bitchy. If fake freedom makes a game worth playing to you, your missing out on a lot of really good games. Btw once you get to chapter 11, which is pretty far in, there are optional missions, and a big wide world you don`t have to explore, so it opens up alot.

And the crystarium worse than the sphere grid, are you kidding me? You realize within a few hours of playing in ffX you can have auto life, which makes the game not even worth playing after that, as soon as you get it the game should just show the credits right then and there.

Also your comparing ffx to ff13, so now im thinking to myself, how is the game any more free than 13? The only thing I can see that makes it more free is the fact that you can go back to places, because there is absolutely NOTHING optional in this game except the ultimate weapons that make the game too easy, or blitzball which is a very easy minigame that gives you rewards that also make the game too easy. I'm willing to bet theres more optional stuff in chapter 11 of ff13 then there is in the entire game of ff10.

I just don't get the main beef with rails, who cares that you can't go left when the game wants you to go right, most games just put dead ends there anyways. Or you could have a game like bethesda's fallout 3 or elder scrolls, where you walk around aimlessly in dungeons that look exactly the same fighting the same monster over and over agian, because the game has no clue how strong you are and can't properly make the dificulty progress. If riding the rails makes the game harder and more fun then I'm all for it.

The way I look at it, FF1 had little freedom, where you could go back to places but you had to do everything in the right order and there was never any reason to go back to places, and there was nothing optional in the game, and it was an awesome game. Glad they are getting back to the basics.

[Christian]

There has always been an order to Final Fantasy, the problem I have with FF13 is there's nothing to do before I go to the next stop in the game. I have heard that around chapter 10 you can start doing things like this but that's a good 20 hours into the game that I'm cringing while I play. I primarily complain about the lack of freedom in the game because EVERY other Final Fantasy released gave at least that false freedom which has a much longer history than FF13. All-in-all I won't buy another Final Fantasy if it's another interactive movie.

No amount of lipstick can make the Crystarium grid good. Yes it's function is better than FFX, however it's interface is piss poor and annoying.

[Bonemasher]

There has always been an order to Final Fantasy, the problem I have with FF13 is there's nothing to do before I go to the next stop in the game. I have heard that around chapter 10 you can start doing things like this but that's a good 20 hours into the game that I'm cringing while I play. I primarily complain about the lack of freedom in the game because EVERY other Final Fantasy released gave at least that false freedom which has a much longer history than FF13. All-in-all I won't buy another Final Fantasy if it's another interactive movie.

No amount of lipstick can make the Crystarium grid good. Yes it's function is better than FFX, however it's interface is piss poor and annoying.

What freedom do you mean? Walking into a dead end is not freedom, its a sad excuse to make a short game seem longer. Towns where all you do is walk around talking to people about absolutely nothing is another way to make a game seem deeper.

Every rpg since the dawn of time has been fight, get stronger, custscene, fight some more, fight a boss, cutscene, and repeat.

I'd rather have a game be upfront with its lack of freedom isntead of having a giant open world of nothing. Its like when you finally get an airship in every older FF, you usually feel like "YAY IM FREE" and then you realise there is only 1 place the aitship will take you. lol

To me the Crystarium is just a better version of the sphere grid, no more choosing what sphere you want when usually theres only 1 option lol And then there are the locks that for some reason I usually remember having a ton of level 3`s but then never having level 2`s when you need em.

[Hedge]

I, the original poster of this thread. Have never said anything about freedoms of this game. I for one don't really care much about that. I enjoy rpg games because it's like playing a movie. But like movies, a game that offers no plot is.... A bad game!

Now before you jump on me and say. " the story really gets good 10 hours in!!!" let me say this. If I told you I had a 5 book series that kinda sucks untill book 3. Would you want to buy or read the first 2? Or how about a 5 hour movie that sucks but the ending is pretty cool?

The game has no begining. It's a giant middle...

Now for my second part of my dislike of the game. The ENDLESS amount of cut seen. Most of them had little to no action but just bristled with teenage angst. Little to no story is actually revealed, and the interupt what action there is... It's just an attempt to hide flaws in the game behind pretty art.

I would go into the character problems. But hey that review did that for me.

In the end. I shouldn't have to play a game 10 hours before it gets enjoyable. It's bad story telling, it's bad game making. So you are a fanboy? Understand you won't convince me dirt is gold. Lots of teen girls liked the Back Street Boys and Twylight. It doesn't make it good. Hell I love the evil dead movies. They are of course bad cheap horror flicks. But I understand they are bad, and won't argue it.

[Kaito]

So, basically, if you really wanna give this game a try...rent it. Haha. I think this Final Fantasy is a niche game. It's only for a smaller number of people. I like it because of the battle system. Well, not much more to say than...some people like it...some people don't. Try to find out which side you're on.

[Cosmic_Shame]

I, the original poster of this thread. Have never said anything about freedoms of this game. I for one don't really care much about that. I enjoy rpg games because it's like playing a movie. But like movies, a game that offers no plot is.... A bad game!


my suggestion would to play Heavy Rain then

[Bonemasher]

Hedge, your not a final fantasy fan, so don't review a game thats the 13th in a series. You don't like rpg's I'm sorry. The other day you said you didn't like japanese game, well I'm sorry to say but they make up 90% of rpgs. Western rpg's have worse stories in my opinion. Im sorry but it sounds like you started the game up thinking "this game is going to suck" and then you nitpick about every little thing. You let hype ruin it for you.

Also sorry to say, but story in games is a recent trend, FF1 had no story and it an awesome game , dragon quest 1 had no story and is the father of all rpg's. I really don't know what these rpg's you play are, but if you mention baldurs gate, or zelda I'm gonna laugh.

Also story is events and emotion, and this game has plenty of both. I liked the story as soon as it started. And a book that takes a while to get in..... lets see, Lord of the rings anyone? In the books it takes about halfway through the first one for anything to happen, everything up until then is set up for later. Plus on that note, the original books where 7 books long so it would be around book 2 or 3 where anything actually happens.

I don't really see how game stories compare to movie storys, I'd said they compare to cartoon series's on tv, thats why so many games are anime themed. Very few games make you feel sad or happy in their stories like a movie will, the story telling is never that great. Why do you think movies based off games aren't that great? Its the source material, I'm sorry to say. Games are about gameplay, story comes last and what is considered good for a game story would suck as a movie. You can grab the most interesting game story and make it into a movie, and it will still suck.

And I'm not trying to convince you the game is good, just saying your logic doesn't make sense, and I don't understand why you try to play rpg's when you clearly don't like them. It would be like me trying to play a football game and say "this sucks, its too much like football."

Cosmic, heavy rain? If its anything like indigo prophecy all I have to say is ICK. Quicktime events over a terrible story with a mask of interactivity. Theres absolutly nothing good about that game.

[Brains]

[...]Theres absolutly nothing good about that game.

hate to bash you but....
I thought yesterday you said something like how could I have an opinion of the game if I've never played it?

so how can you say something about Heavy Rain if you've never played it? Even saying something like "if it's anything like game X, it sucks"

so I say this, ANYONE can have an opinion about a game whether they played it or not. I haven't played FF13 and I say it sucks based on other people's reviews of the game (who have played it) and from watching countless youtube vids of the game in action. you can't go bash me for having an opinion, same goes for hedge. he actually PLAYED the game and you still are saying his views are invalid. I'm sorry, but that's sad. I'm not a fan of traditional RPGs, I love action-adventure RPGs like Zelda, Metroid etc, but I still can have an opinion even if I've probably spent 5 minutes total playing traditional RPGs.

*not coming back in this thread :cry: - it hurts to much

[Hedge]

Hedge, your not a final fantasy fan, so don't review a game thats the 13th in a series. You don't like rpg's I'm sorry.

Ok First off, I've never said that, second I love RPG games. Infact I played and was on the staff of an RPG MUD ( Multi user Dungeon, for those not in the known) It was all text based via the internet. I've even actively RPed in D&D and RPG pen and paper settings. Infact Dragon warrior is what got me into RPG games. Then FF2 is what got me into RPG games hardcore as well as pen and paper to begin with. I loved the Gameboy series as well, I even had Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, as well as the Tactic series. So please don't lecture me on what games I like or don't like. When you really have no idea.
That said if you are going to tell me only people who are fans of a game should beable to review it...there would be nothing but stellar reviews for every pile of shit on the market. I reviewed this game with an open mind. I bought it because I heard good things and EXPECTED to rather enjoy it. It turned out I didn't *Shrugs*

The other day you said you didn't like japanese game, well I'm sorry to say but they make up 90% of rpgs. Western rpg's have worse stories in my opinion. Im sorry but it sounds like you started the game up thinking "this game is going to suck" and then you nitpick about every little thing. You let hype ruin it for you.
I've never, EVER said that, NEVER in my life. Infact this is only my 6th post in this whole thread. I would enjoy you telling me where you heard me say this. Because so far, its something you just made up. As said above, I bought this game and was rather excited about it. I was eager to get back into the FF series. So far this quote shows how much you have actually read my posts.


Also sorry to say, but story in games is a recent trend, FF1 had no story and it an awesome game , dragon quest 1 had no story and is the father of all rpg's. I really don't know what these rpg's you play are, but if you mention baldurs gate, or zelda I'm gonna laugh.
I will give you that, the first two had somewhat weak storyline. I was younger then, but the fantasy story caught me. I liked adventures*shrugs*

Also story is events and emotion, and this game has plenty of both. I liked the story as soon as it started.
Its been stated several times by a few people so far. That things don't really start coming together untill 5 or more hours INTO the game.

I don't really see how game stories compare to movie storys, I'd said they compare to cartoon series's on tv, thats why so many games are anime themed. Very few games make you feel sad or happy in their stories like a movie will, the story telling is never that great. Why do you think movies based off games aren't that great?
I will say, I've gotten into games where I've felt actual hate for some characters. Well I've felt fondness for others. Perhaps its just my level of imagination, but I really get into games. I like to feel part of the story, and it helps me enjoy and understand the game/story all the more. Infact I often make my choices, when given them, in games based upon how I FEEL rather then some epenis bragging right to say I've accomplished all the challenges or gotten every achievment or did better than someone else. \
Games make bad movies because the people who make them into movies are generally not very into the game its spawned from. Its usually just a guy who got paid to make a movie and they try to dumb it down for the common people who have never touched or heard of the game. More often then not the only thing in common with the movie is the name, the name of the main character, and thats about it.


And I'm not trying to convince you the game is good, just saying your logic doesn't make sense, and I don't understand why you try to play rpg's when you clearly don't like them. It would be like me trying to play a football game and say "this sucks, its too much like football."
Again, you couldn't be more wrong. My main problem for the 3rd time, is there is a large lack of story or setting in the game that I played so far. If the fact I find that silly and poor story telling is poor logic. You need to go back to school and learn about writing. Its called a HOOK something that grabs your attention and pulls you into the story.

To be honest Bone, you seem to have taken this entire thing awfully personal, as suggested by you simply...making up things you think I said, or presuming to know what I like or don't like, based on ONE review of a game.

I have had several friends suggest Heavy Rain to me as well. I might check it out Cosmic.

Hedge

[Bonemasher]

I was talking to brains in the shoutbox the other day and for some reason thought it was you lol Because the convo was about this thread. I was tired that day. Sorry about that. So many people in this thread its hard to keep track of who said what, if I cared more I`d probably remember. lol

I`m not taking this personally, your bashing a game I like and I`m defending it. To me I don`t see how anyone could like the older FF games and not like this one. If anything the story is deeper in 13 than it ever was in the older games. The characters are interesting and the world is interesting, most games usually only have one or the other.

It`s just a discusion, its not like I`m foaming at the mouth, over it. You have your opinion, and I have mine. But from your first post you have to admit you came off a little high and mighty, which makes anyone who doesn`t agree feel a little insulted.

Oh and brains I meant indigo prophecy, its from the same creator, and from what I hear the game is very similar.

Anyways, I enjoy ff13 its a fun game with an interesting story.

[Cosmic_Shame]

yes heavy rain is very very good